Incidentally with regard to the 12th man forum I thought we had agreed or is this memory of a goldfish syndrome catching
Well exactly, which is why your thinly veiled comment made no sense to me. For the record, I think that if the 12th Man is run sensibly (with a full published Constitution and the democracy that you are so keen on for the Trust), it would be a good idea. Currently it has neither a Constitution nor any elected members and hence no accountability whatsoever. Sauce for the goose...