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Is it true that there is a secret executive of 4 or 5 people within the board of the Supporters Trust, that keeps decisions away from the elected body?

Can someone explain the 'thousands of thousands of pounds ' made by the Trust that was suggested by Rob bradley on the OS the other day? I was under the impression that their share capital was made up recently of free shares and cheap shares and therefore none of this money was going near the club's own coffers.
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Dean

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Mar 25 10 7:35 PM

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Helgy

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Mar 26 10 7:50 AM

Re: The Trust, a couple of queries

thethinker wrote:
Is it true that there is a secret executive of 4 or 5 people within the board of the Supporters Trust, that keeps decisions away from the elected body?

Can someone explain the 'thousands of thousands of pounds ' made by the Trust that was suggested by Rob bradley on the OS the other day? I was under the impression that their share capital was made up recently of free shares and cheap shares and therefore none of this money was going near the club's own coffers.


The bit about the free/cheap shares is correct and no none of the money goes to the club,the trust have to maintain their 25%,i would say people are 50/50 on that ,some not happy that the money does not go to the club but the rest would think that what they do is their free choice.
The money raised by the trust 7k was through the season ticket offer.

The inner trust within the trust no idea but i would say somethings would have to be kept away from the public domain so leading to accusations of a inner trust.
On the whole they do a good job but seem to have lost some drive,me personally i would have been going out trying to raise funds for the club.

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robbradley

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Mar 26 10 9:25 AM

I think it's time everyone with Lincoln City in their hearts stop the rumourmongering and do what we have all done for the last ten years and pull together.

For the record, the trust board comprises a group of nice hardworking people who support the club wholeheartedly. There is no "inner group", no hidden agenda, and one aim only - to help trust members and the club in general.

The trust raises funds every year through subscriptions, gold members, events and dinners, calendar sales and so on.

The trust wish to maintain a 25% shareholding only so that, if it ever happened, a significant proposal at an AGM / GM / or EGM could be considered by all the trust members. The bottom line in that is that if the proposal is good for the club, we'd go for it. It if wasn't, we woudn't. On a rare occasion, a trust supporter has asked that her shareholding was passed to the trust for a modest sum. Of all the money the trust has raised for the club over the years this was felt to be a small departure from our usual policy but good for our members. This was done only to help in the "25%" policy.

No doubt this reply will promote another range of conspiracy theories but I, like the rest of the trust board, will ignore them and crack on with helping our trust members and the club as best we can.

By the way, it's our race night tonight in the Trust Suite. Please come along - they're great fun !

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mick1632

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Mar 26 10 10:54 AM

if you wont your say join the trust they do a lot of good,Rob is right get in ther and do your bit and stop having a go at people who put a lot of time and energy into the trust,we can not all agree all the time,but that is what it is all about,join then you can have your say

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robbradley

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Mar 26 10 11:07 AM

You raise another good point mick1632. The trust is desperate for new faces to get involved. In fact over the next two or three year a large amount of the present board have to stand down, due to rules restricting the timescale individuals can be on the board.

Elections are coming up so I hope those who want to play a part, or change the trust to take it along a different direction, get their applications in. Don't forget, by joining the trust board you can then advance to putting up to join the club board.

And in terms of drive and intitiative, watch out for some news on what the trust is seeking to do to help the manager and his funds in the next few weeks.

Finally ( I promise ), we will also soon be launching our new revamped website. To our eternal shame this has been taking forever, not entirely down to us, but once up and running it will feature news, competitions, our supporter/ director's diary, and, as they say, much more.

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mick1632

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Mar 26 10 11:20 AM

i think you might know who mick1932 rob.but it does get up my noise when people get on about the trust what they do and do not do.as i have said join then you can air your views and they will be taken on board wither we agree with them or not.you can not do anything on the outside looking in

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Helgy

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Mar 26 10 12:39 PM

robbradley wrote:
You raise another good point mick1632. The trust is desperate for new faces to get involved. In fact over the next two or three year a large amount of the present board have to stand down, due to rules restricting the timescale individuals can be on the board.

Elections are coming up so I hope those who want to play a part, or change the trust to take it along a different direction, get their applications in. Don't forget, by joining the trust board you can then advance to putting up to join the club board.

And in terms of drive and intitiative, watch out for some news on what the trust is seeking to do to help the manager and his funds in the next few weeks.

Finally ( I promise ), we will also soon be launching our new revamped website. To our eternal shame this has been taking forever, not entirely down to us, but once up and running it will feature news, competitions, our supporter/ director's diary, and, as they say, much more.


Agreed there is too much rumour/mischief making and none of it helps the club.
We have started the fans shares and people are starting to invest in the club but i thought that it was odd that John Roddam came onto a message board and state the 12th man had a hidden agenda.
We organise the fans game's with David Beck and raise the money for the nominated charity and you handed the medals out at the last game at Sincil Bank, so would you kindly do the honours again on monday 11th May.
So the reality is the 12th man and the Trust can work together after all and has done.
I can offer a dvd package for the race night for free so that would keep your costs down.
If you are interested please pm me.
Andy.

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NottyImp

Time I got out more!

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Mar 26 10 12:53 PM

Excellent posts Rob - a shame you don't post more often on here, but then unlike the rest of us, you probably have a life!

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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NottyImp

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Mar 26 10 12:55 PM

Re: The Trust, a couple of queries

thethinker wrote:
Is it true that there is a secret executive of 4 or 5 people within the board of the Supporters Trust, that keeps decisions away from the elected body?

Can someone explain the 'thousands of thousands of pounds ' made by the Trust that was suggested by Rob bradley on the OS the other day? I was under the impression that their share capital was made up recently of free shares and cheap shares and therefore none of this money was going near the club's own coffers.


Welcome back, Steve!

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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robbradley

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Mar 26 10 1:01 PM

Raising funds for the club is good whoever does it, and Lincoln and District and the Red Imps Assoc have been the leaders in this for years too.

12th man is a great idea and we hope you get it to grow and succeed. I think there was a bit of an unfortunate start with the trust / Vitals relationship but I'm sure we can all get on in the knowledge we've got a common aim - LCFC.

I'm fine giving out the medals but maybe between us, including David Beck, we can get someone a bit higher profile - Chris Sutton maybe ?

I think we're sorted for the race night technology for tonight but we'll bear in mind your kind offer for our next one.

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NottyImp

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Mar 26 10 1:03 PM

I think the 25% is ana excellent safe-guard. You just need to look around at the number of clubs who have been shafted by chancers and fly-by-nights to see what value it has.

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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robbradley

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Mar 26 10 1:13 PM

That's all it is - a safeguard. The club board run the club on a daily basis and make 99.9% of the decisions, which is how it should be. The trust reps comprise 2 of 8 directors so they have an imput but only amount to a quarter of the votes.

If a major issue came up, and it hasn't yet, we'd organise a vote of our 1000 ish adult members and vote how the majority wished at a shareholders meeting. It's as simple as that, and from what I've seen and heard a great many clubs would be happy with that. Except of course for the fact that their own fans don't have any say in what their club does !

From my experience with Supporters Direct, it's turning out that our hybrid of local business people and fans reps on the club board is the ideal model. Accountability, democracy, business skills, and local people who won't be disappearing over the horizon is a good mix. And they're in it for one thing - whatever is best for Lincoln City.

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Helgy

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Mar 26 10 1:54 PM

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12th man is a great idea and we hope you get it to grow and succeed. I think there was a bit of an unfortunate start with the trust / Vitals relationship but I'm sure we can all get on in the knowledge we've got a common aim - LCFC.

There should be and Vitals perhaps could help out more as we all should be trying to do things for the good of LCFC.
I still think that with what Lincoln has in place we would never fall for a County.

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Helgy

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Mar 26 10 3:43 PM

mick1632 wrote:
i am a member of the trust and 12th man so you can do bouth


As both support City ,just wish people would realise this.

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thecaptain

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Mar 26 10 4:27 PM

I bought some extra shares not so long ago and also bought some for a birthday present. I can buy shares whenever I feel like it.

Thank you Rob for coming on to clear up a few things. Good stuff.

He likes you...

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James

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Mar 26 10 5:01 PM

Well, I've said it on here before and will say it again now, I think it is wrong that when you buy a season ticket you have to pay EXTRA if you don't want to join the Trust, give us back the discount next season and play fair by everyone, then you may gain some more respect and get people who actually want to join signing up, or alternatively loose season ticket holders like myself who feel they are being taken for mugs.

I can't help it,
I was dragged up.
My favourite parks are car parks,
grass is something you smoke and birds are something you shag.
So, take your year in Provence
and stick it up your aarse.

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robbradley

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Mar 26 10 5:17 PM

I never understand why terminology like "taken for mugs", and so on have to be used. That's not what the trust try to do. Anyway, the question of how the subs are involved with your season ticket purchase has been a difficult issue and I know what you mean. It certainly needs looking at again. The last thing we or the club want is fans objecting to how it is done, and, you're right, it has had it's critics in the past.

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NottyImp

Time I got out more!

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Mar 26 10 5:28 PM

robbradley wrote:
I never understand why terminology like "taken for mugs", and so on have to be used. That's not what the trust try to do. Anyway, the question of how the subs are involved with your season ticket purchase has been a difficult issue and I know what you mean. It certainly needs looking at again. The last thing we or the club want is fans objecting to how it is done, and, you're right, it has had it's critics in the past.


Even as a general supporter of the Trust (though not a member at the moment), this issue does seem rather odd. I personally think that there should be no financial link between season tickets and the Trust, although I have no problem with Trust membership being solicited at the same time as season ticket sales.

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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James

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Mar 26 10 5:32 PM

robbradley wrote:
I never understand why terminology like "taken for mugs", and so on have to be used. That's not what the trust try to do. Anyway, the question of how the subs are involved with your season ticket purchase has been a difficult issue and I know what you mean. It certainly needs looking at again. The last thing we or the club want is fans objecting to how it is done, and, you're right, it has had it's critics in the past.


I have a lot of respect for you Mr Bradley because you input money and a lot of time when things were very scary and like Steff Wright have worked hard for the club. The reason I think we were taken for mugs was because Mr Roberts stated on the BBC Sport 'My Club' website that season ticket prices had been 'frozen' when in fact because of this Trust 'offer' that cost you money to refuse they had gone up by about £25. To me its simple season ticket costs £275.00 or £25 less if you don't want to join the trust.

I can't help it,
I was dragged up.
My favourite parks are car parks,
grass is something you smoke and birds are something you shag.
So, take your year in Provence
and stick it up your aarse.

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