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Dean

Gott in Himmel!

Posts: 3,037 Member Since:09/09/2007

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Mar 26 10 5:49 PM

James wrote:
robbradley wrote:
I never understand why terminology like "taken for mugs", and so on have to be used. That's not what the trust try to do. Anyway, the question of how the subs are involved with your season ticket purchase has been a difficult issue and I know what you mean. It certainly needs looking at again. The last thing we or the club want is fans objecting to how it is done, and, you're right, it has had it's critics in the past.


I have a lot of respect for you Mr Bradley because you input money and a lot of time when things were very scary and like Steff Wright have worked hard for the club. The reason I think we were taken for mugs was because Mr Roberts stated on the BBC Sport 'My Club' website that season ticket prices had been 'frozen' when in fact because of this Trust 'offer' that cost you money to refuse they had gone up by about £25. To me its simple season ticket costs £275.00 or £25 less if you don't want to join the trust.



Totally agree. I will not be paying more this coming season for a season ticket not to join the Trust just as I would not last season. Some say I cut off my nose to spite my face. I say I have principles. I do not want to join the Trust and I refuse to pay £5 more for the privilege. It is a bloody scam.

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Helgy

the chosen one

Posts: 1,120 Member Since:15/12/2008

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Mar 26 10 8:57 PM

thecaptain wrote:
I bought some extra shares not so long ago and also bought some for a birthday present. I can buy shares whenever I feel like it.

Thank you Rob for coming on to clear up a few things. Good stuff.


As can anyone ,we are just trying to raise extra funds for the club and promote something they cannot.
It's all about raising awareness of the shares,we have the chance to do something special here if enough join it can and it will make a difference to the club we all love.

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robbradley

Posts: 33 Member Since:26/06/2007

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Mar 26 10 11:15 PM

Attaching trust subs with season tickets started when we set up the trust and negotiated it with John Reames. I agree it has become confused and open to criticism - especially in ways it has been put together recently.

I don't want to speak out of turn because it is being looked at again for next season. Personally I have some sympathy with some of the views put here. You should be able to choose - join up or not join up.

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Dean

Gott in Himmel!

Posts: 3,037 Member Since:09/09/2007

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Mar 26 10 11:19 PM

robbradley wrote:
Attaching trust subs with season tickets started when we set up the trust and negotiated it with John Reames. I agree it has become confused and open to criticism - especially in ways it has been put together recently.

I don't want to speak out of turn because it is being looked at again for next season. Personally I have some sympathy with some of the views put here. You should be able to choose - join up or not join up.



Join up or not, and not have to pay extra for a season ticket if you don't.

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57Harry

Posts: 4 Member Since:05/12/2009

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Mar 26 10 11:34 PM

As it cost £ 5 less for season ticket holders to join the Trust last year,can someone explain to me how this can be put as raising "vast amounts of money through subscriptions".
Trust membership should be kept seperate so any money raised is new money and there is total transparency.Also you could see how many genuine members the Trust has.I would suggest the majority of the members only join to get £5 off their season tickets-if they had to pay extra to join the Trust it would be interesting to see how many of these "members" remain.

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James

Klingon Chancellor

Posts: 1,881 Member Since:26/07/2006

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Mar 27 10 8:03 AM

57Harry wrote:
As it cost £ 5 less for season ticket holders to join the Trust last year,can someone explain to me how this can be put as raising "vast amounts of money through subscriptions".
Trust membership should be kept seperate so any money raised is new money and there is total transparency.Also you could see how many genuine members the Trust has.I would suggest the majority of the members only join to get £5 off their season tickets-if they had to pay extra to join the Trust it would be interesting to see how many of these "members" remain.


It cost about £25 less the season before last and for the previous 3 seasons. I only didn't take the discount the last season because you had to join it to pay monthly. I payed upfront this season and was quite miffed to discover the increase.

I can't help it,
I was dragged up.
My favourite parks are car parks,
grass is something you smoke and birds are something you shag.
So, take your year in Provence
and stick it up your aarse.

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mick1632

produce of alien technology

Posts: 760 Member Since:20/10/2006

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Mar 27 10 8:10 AM

i pay the trust £15 per year by SO in june,then buy season ticket.i do not see what is wrong with that,it is my club i support why dont you all instead of picking on the board and trust join then you can have your say i do

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James

Klingon Chancellor

Posts: 1,881 Member Since:26/07/2006

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Mar 27 10 8:19 AM

mick1632 wrote:
i pay the trust £15 per year by SO in june,then buy season ticket.i do not see what is wrong with that,it is my club i support why dont you all instead of picking on the board and trust join then you can have your say i do



Because we like freedom of choice on how we spend our own money Mick! Its more than a weeks wages for me to get a season ticket and takes a lot of doing, I'm not looking to get into an argument about who's the poorest here but when you lose your job because of the recession and still have to pay a mortgage I reckon your doing well still to give your money to the club whether you agree with the Trust ideals or not.

I can't help it,
I was dragged up.
My favourite parks are car parks,
grass is something you smoke and birds are something you shag.
So, take your year in Provence
and stick it up your aarse.

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mick1632

produce of alien technology

Posts: 760 Member Since:20/10/2006

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Mar 27 10 8:30 AM

just do what you can and not pick on trust and board,i do not agree with all they do and i do let them know face to face

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robbradley

Posts: 33 Member Since:26/06/2007

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Mar 28 10 9:02 AM

I could be it has been too complicated in the last couple of years. There has been no intention to decieve supporters or rip them off and it's a shame that people think that is the case. The trust have no wish to do that.

However, the way fans join, how much it costs, and what the money is used for should be open, fair, and based on any individual having a choice.

The subject will crop up again at the end of the season when season ticket renewals are publicised. Let's see how the club and the trust put it out this time round.

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NottyImp

Time I got out more!

Posts: 5,635 Member Since:02/08/2006

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Mar 28 10 12:30 PM

I think there was a bit of an unfortunate start with the trust / Vitals relationship but I'm sure we can all get on in the knowledge we've got a common aim - LCFC.


Good luck with that, Rob. Here is a post from Vitals site editor that suggests one side at least is a long way from a rapprochement:

If the Imps were to go down we would be very unlikely to come back. Thank goddness it has not happened again this year given the laid back approach and laissez faire attitude of the two boards. Its funny we are a community club yet Co opting in the Trust flies in the face of the democratic process and our directors who have also amassed recent shares on the cheap without adding anything to club coffers will vote on who is to be the next chairman.

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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ForumerDeletedUser

Newbie

Posts: 0 Member Since:17/04/2016

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Mar 28 10 3:38 PM

We all have the right to individual opinions, so please afford me that right as I have done to your good self. I posted that as codbator and in stating it was the site editor you have breached site confidentiality. People have opinions that might shake things up at a club that needs it.

Indeed you have also accused me of spreading malicious lies in your time on the Vital board. I also now understand your stance towards the 12th man given that in another post you made with reference to your attendance at gold member meetings.

With regard to reproachment the Trust have knocked back my attempt to cease the Co opting process in favour of democratic elections to decide who goes onto the Trust board. Sadly we the membership will not be able to vote on this.

Here is a copy of the letter perhaps other trust members may have a veiw on this.

The Secretary
Lincoln City Supporters Trust,
Sincil Bank Stadium,
Lincoln.
LN5 8LD.

Dear Sirs,

I am a member of the Trust and would like the following proposals put forward on the ‘Notice Convening the Annual General Meeting’ that is posted to all members.

The proposals, as shown below, to be included on the ‘Notice Convening the Annual General Meeting’, and to state my reasons as follows.

This will give all members the opportunity to study the proposals carefully. I think the proposals will show to all members, the Board are more than happy to accommodate them as full or co-opted Board members. Many members think there is little or no chance of achieving Board status, but this should alleviate any doubts.


PROPOSALS FOR CHANGE OF THE LINCOLN SUPPORTERS’ SOCIETY LIMITED. (LINCOLN CITY SUPPORTERS TRUST.

Proposals for Members to receive and consider the following Rule changes and additions to the Society Rules.

CONSTITUTION OF SOCIETY BOARD

Rule 53. (addition)
d)
i. Co-opted members elected by members of the Society Board will serve for a maximum of two years. During this period they may, at their own discretion, put forward their name(s) to be elected to the Society Board, which may be at an AGM or EGM. ‘Rule 54. Electoral Procedures for the Elected Board Members and Supporter Director(s)’ applies.
ii. Where existing Board members are not re-elected at an AGM or EGM, the Society Board has the option to co-opt them, in accordance with the Board Membership Policy.


Continued.

The reason I have forwarded the above proposals this early, is to enable the full details, including my reasons, to be included in the ‘Notice Convening the Annual General Meeting’ that is sent out to members.

Could you please let me know by return, if I need a seconder for my proposals, or any other reason that my proposals, including my reasons, cannot be included in the ‘Notice’.

I think it would be an excellent move for the Board to agree to recommend the above proposals on the ‘Notice’ to members. I am very optimistic this would, with the right public relations message on the Trust’s website, increase membership.

I await your reply as soon as possible.

Yours faithfully,

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James

Klingon Chancellor

Posts: 1,881 Member Since:26/07/2006

#33 [url]

Mar 28 10 5:26 PM

Ok I may be sounding a bit thick here but can someone answer me these questions:
Is the Trust's main objective to ensure that the supporters own enough shares to stop a.n.other coming in and buying the club?
Does it do fundraising so therefore 'seems' to object to outside people like the 12th Man Initiative buying shares and maybe at a later date owning more shares than the Trust?

I can't help it,
I was dragged up.
My favourite parks are car parks,
grass is something you smoke and birds are something you shag.
So, take your year in Provence
and stick it up your aarse.

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mick1632

produce of alien technology

Posts: 760 Member Since:20/10/2006

#34 [url]

Mar 28 10 5:43 PM

for me the objective of the trust is to stop anyone person taking over the club,then to help all supportes to help the club in all ways,i am a member of 12th man as see no objection to anyone else holding shares

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NottyImp

Time I got out more!

Posts: 5,635 Member Since:02/08/2006

#35 [url]

Mar 28 10 5:48 PM

We all have the right to individual opinions, so please afford me that right as I have done to your good self. I posted that as codbator and in stating it was the site editor you have breached site confidentiality. People have opinions that might shake things up at a club that needs it.


What utter rubbish. Everyone knows you are the site editor. It's your choice to bizarrely post with multiple identities. Most of us just stick to the one ID and don't try to fudge our opinions with nonsense like that. Still, if you don't have the courage of your convictions...

Indeed you have also accused me of spreading malicious lies in your time on the Vital board. I also now understand your stance towards the 12th man given that in another post you made with reference to your attendance at gold member meetings.


Really? When and where? Put up or shut up. What I have said is that you present information as unequivocable fact that you know are often only rumours. Your weasel argument in response was that it is your "style".

I doubt you understand anything to do with my stance towards the 12th Man as you posts repeatedly demonstrate.

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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NottyImp

Time I got out more!

Posts: 5,635 Member Since:02/08/2006

#36 [url]

Mar 28 10 5:50 PM

James wrote:
Ok I may be sounding a bit thick here but can someone answer me these questions:
Is the Trust's main objective to ensure that the supporters own enough shares to stop a.n.other coming in and buying the club?
Does it do fundraising so therefore 'seems' to object to outside people like the 12th Man Initiative buying shares and maybe at a later date owning more shares than the Trust?


No offence James, but I think Rob Bradley has clearly answered those very questions on this thread (from his own perspective, of course).

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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steveimp

paranoid android

Posts: 162 Member Since:09/06/2008

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Mar 28 10 6:32 PM

James wrote:
Ok I may be sounding a bit thick here but can someone answer me these questions:
Is the Trust's main objective to ensure that the supporters own enough shares to stop a.n.other coming in and buying the club?
Does it do fundraising so therefore 'seems' to object to outside people like the 12th Man Initiative buying shares and maybe at a later date owning more shares than the Trust?


I think Gentleman's argument is more on the line that people who are co-opted onto the board should at the very least stand for election once, to envelop the democratic principles of Trusts as laid down by Supporters Direct.

Proud to be one of the Drones.

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NottyImp

Time I got out more!

Posts: 5,635 Member Since:02/08/2006

#38 [url]

Mar 28 10 6:37 PM

As I've mentioned elsewhere, co-option is a commonly used method to bring expertise to a Board that its elected members may lack. Myself and my wife were co-opted Trustee members of a local charity for precisely that reason. In that role, my wife raised £250k through bid-writing that has kept the charity running.

"Help, help I'm being repressed!"

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steveimp

paranoid android

Posts: 162 Member Since:09/06/2008

#39 [url]

Mar 28 10 6:42 PM

NottyImp wrote:
As I've mentioned elsewhere, co-option is a commonly used method to bring expertise to a Board that its elected members may lack. Myself and my wife were co-opted Trustee members of a local charity for precisely that reason. In that role, my wife raised £250k through bid-writing that has kept the charity running.


The trade off though is being constantly co-opted each period and believing in the full democratic principles of being a Trust.

If someone is constantly co-opted onto any board without ever putting themself up for democratic elections, isn't that cheating the system? Why should anyone have to put themselves up for voting?

Proud to be one of the Drones.

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steveimp

paranoid android

Posts: 162 Member Since:09/06/2008

#40 [url]

Mar 28 10 6:45 PM

mick1632 wrote:
just do what you can and not pick on trust and board,i do not agree with all they do and i do let them know face to face


As do a lot of us Mick.

Proud to be one of the Drones.

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